FSSPX: Bishop Eleganti Contradicts Bishop Schneider

Bishop Marian Eleganti, Switzerland, has rejected the suggestion that an excommunication imposed on the Priestly Fraternity Saint Pius X. (FSSPX) after its planned episcopal consecrations on July 1 could be invalid. Mons Eleganti told TheCatholicHerald.com on March 9 that such arguments misunderstand the nature of schism.

Bishop Schneider has suggested in several recent interviews that the excommunications would not be valid because the FSSPX does "not intend" to separate from Rome.

Bishop Eleganti replied that the absence of a declared intention to break with the Vatican would not alter the objective nature of the act:

“To declare a questionable intention doesn’t help,” Bishop Eleganti said. “That’s a ploy to practise total autonomy while pretending to be in union with the Pope. It is in fact not the case so long as the Pope does not accept or authorise these consecrations.”

Key argument: “It’s not about what they claim or declare, but about the facts they create,” Bishop Eleganti said. “It’s not primarily about intentions but about objective facts and behaviour.”

Bishop Eleganti resumes that the FSSPX acts with full autonomy without papal mandate, operates with bishops not in union with the Pope and episcopal college, maintains hundreds of priests who are not incardinated in dioceses and exists in a “jurisdictional nirvana”.

For him, the Fraternity's structures resemble a parallel Church: “They claim not to want a Church beside the Church while creating one and behaving in a way that corresponds exactly to that.”

Bishop Schneider served as the Holy See’s official visitor to the FSSPX under Pope Francis. He suggested in several interviews that Leo XIV might approve the planned consecrations as a reconciliation step.

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Strong and Steadfast3 days ago

Straw man argument, Excellency. His Excellency Bp. Schneider made no statement or even an implication about a "declared intention".

tbswv4 days ago

I dare anyone to ask him (Eleganti) about the Real Presence.

CatMuse4 days ago

They publically worshiped an idol and processed it into St Peter's basilica. QED.

Simon North4 days ago

Both are examples of the proverbial moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic.

Lionel Leslie Andrades4 days ago

Also the books, articles and talks on Vatican Council II by Cardinals Muller, Burke, Sarah and those of Archbishop Lefebvre, Romano Amerio, Plinio Correa D’Oliveira, Michael Davies, Christopher Ferrara and Fr. Nicholas Gruner are obsolete. So also , Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano and bishops Eleganti, Fellay and Gallaratta and Fr. James Martin sj, They were based upon the Fake and not Rational Premise. They would agree. It is the same with Bishop Robert Barron, Larry Chapp and Mark Lambert.
The Anglican Ordinariate also has been interpreting Vatican Council II with the irrational premise, irrational inference and non traditional conclusion.
With the Rational Premise Vatican Council II has ‘returned’ to pre-Vatican Council II times. The Catholic Church of the future has to be traditional. It has to reject ‘the liberal reforms’ of Vatican Council II, irrational.
There is no change in faith and morals, mission, ecclesiology, ecumenism, religious liberty and traditional collegiality.
With Vatican Council II rational, all Apostolic Visitations will be Feeneyite and not Cushingite.
All bishops ordained will be traditional and no more progressivist.
Priests who do not interpret Vatican Council II rationally would be in schism with the Magisterium of the Middle Ages, the Church Fathers and the Apostles. There will be an apostolic break.
Cardinals Ratzinger, Kasper, Semeraro and Archbishop Bruno Forte books on ecclesiology are now obsolete. They were written with the False Premise. Morally, the Council must only be interpreted rationally. Books on Vatican Council II published by Ignatius , Amazon, Oxford University, Angelus and the Sophia Press, need to be phased out.
New books on Vatican Council II have to be written with the rational premise, inference and traditional conclusion.
Pope Leo, the cardinals and bishops are not magisterial and apostolic with the interpretation of Vatican Council II irrational- but only when they choose the Rational Premise and so the traditional conclusion.
The Holy See Press Office does not issue a Press Release saying Lumen Gentium 16 refers to a physically visible case in 2026 and so Lionel Andrades is wrong. They support me. – Lionel Andrades

Strong and Steadfast3 days ago

I disagree. The ship of the Church is not sinking, but just the larger outer facade that people think make up the Church. Bp. Schneider is just trying to point people to the true Church, hidden in the middle.

Lionel Leslie Andrades23 hours ago

i interpret Vatican Council II rationally and it is aligned with Tradition. Bishop Schneider does not do the same. The true Church ? He intreprets VC 2 irrationally and not rationally. He interprets the baptism of desire as being visible and so an exception for EENS and I avoid this mistake.True Church? He is in schims with the Magisterium and missionaries of the Middle Ages on EENS ( extra ecclesiam nulla salus). How can he mbe magisterial or apostolic ? He does not affirm Vatican Council II rational in harmony with the dogma EENS of the Council of Florence as do the Latin Mass traditionalists at the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire, USA.