Saint Pius X claimed that muslims believe in the true God (similar to Pius XI and Pius XII)
Pius X: 12 Q. Who are infidels? A. Infidels are those who have not been baptised and do not believe in Jesus Christ, because they either believe in and worship false gods as idolaters do, or though …More
Pius X:
12 Q. Who are infidels?
A. Infidels are those who have not been baptised and do not believe in Jesus Christ, because they either believe in and worship false gods as idolaters do, or though admitting one true God, they do not believe in the Messiah, neither as already come in the Person of Jesus Christ, nor as to come; for instance, Mohammedans and the like.
Source of text: CATECHISM OF SAINT PIUS X: The Ninth Article of the Creed, Those Outside the Communion of Saints, 12 Q. Who are infidels?; sensusfidelium.us/…he-ninth-article-of-the-creed/
Pius XI:
72. But in this battle joined by the powers of darkness against the very idea of Divinity, it is Our fond hope that, besides the host which glories in the name of Christ, all those - and they comprise the overwhelming majority of mankind, - who still believe in God and pay Him homage may take a decisive part.
Source of text: Encyclical "Divini Redemtoris" 72; vatican.va/…370319_divini-redemptoris.html
Pius XII: 16. Nor can We …More
12 Q. Who are infidels?
A. Infidels are those who have not been baptised and do not believe in Jesus Christ, because they either believe in and worship false gods as idolaters do, or though admitting one true God, they do not believe in the Messiah, neither as already come in the Person of Jesus Christ, nor as to come; for instance, Mohammedans and the like.
Source of text: CATECHISM OF SAINT PIUS X: The Ninth Article of the Creed, Those Outside the Communion of Saints, 12 Q. Who are infidels?; sensusfidelium.us/…he-ninth-article-of-the-creed/
Pius XI:
72. But in this battle joined by the powers of darkness against the very idea of Divinity, it is Our fond hope that, besides the host which glories in the name of Christ, all those - and they comprise the overwhelming majority of mankind, - who still believe in God and pay Him homage may take a decisive part.
Source of text: Encyclical "Divini Redemtoris" 72; vatican.va/…370319_divini-redemptoris.html
Pius XII: 16. Nor can We …More
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"Infidels are [...] Mohammedans and the like" And therefore are excluded from Holy Church, says other point of catechizm. And then:
27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.
27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.
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To set the record straight..... The REAL God, the Triune God has spoken throughout the Hebrew Scriptures (Our Old Testament known by Jews as The Tanakh) Numerous examples of Christ, who is known into ancient Judaism as "The Word" (They have not continued this belief) speaking throughout the entire Old Testament can be deciphered...
Many examples of …More
@W obronie Tradycji Kościoła @Tesa @andrew24157
To set the record straight..... The REAL God, the Triune God has spoken throughout the Hebrew Scriptures (Our Old Testament known by Jews as The Tanakh) Numerous examples of Christ, who is known into ancient Judaism as "The Word" (They have not continued this belief) speaking throughout the entire Old Testament can be deciphered...
Many examples of Christ speaking
Isaiah 48
Come near to Me, listen to this:
From the first I have not spoken in secret,
From the time it took place, I was there.
And now the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit.”
The Gospel of John Chapter 1 tells us that Christ is the Word who pre existed His Incarnation, Whom had existed at the begining with the Father.... The person speaking in Proverbs 8 is NOT God the Father, yet He is Divine Himself and as John 1 says "Was there at the begining with the Father... Christ (The Word) speaks
Proverbs 8
The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of his ways, before He made any thing from the beginning. [23] I was set up from eternity, and of old before the earth was made. [24] The depths were not as yet, and I was already conceived. neither had the fountains of waters as yet sprung out: [25] The mountains with their huge bulk had not as yet been established: before the hills I was brought forth:
[26] He had not yet made the earth, nor the rivers, nor the poles of the world. [27] When He prepared the heavens, I was present: when with a certain law and compass He enclosed the depths: [28] When He established the sky above, and poised the fountains of waters: [29] When He compassed the sea with its bounds, and set a law to the waters that they should not pass their limits: when He balanced the foundations of the earth; [30] I was with him forming all things: and was delighted every day, playing before him at all times; [31] Playing in the world: and My delights were to be with the children of men. [32] Now therefore, ye children, hear Me: Blessed are they that keep My ways. [33] Hear instruction and be wise, and refuse it not. [34] Blessed is the man that heareth Me, and that watcheth daily at My gates, and waiteth at the posts of My doors. [35] He that shall find Me, shall find life, and shall have salvation from the Lord:
[36] But he that shall sin against Me, shall hurt his own soul. All that hate Me love death.
Isaiah 6:3 we see that the Lord of hosts is not merely holy, but "Holy, holy, holy." Again one Lord, but three times holy
.
Wisdom 18 for a clear prophecy of the Son of God's Incarnation.
"[14] For while all things were in quiet silence, and the night was in the midst of her course, [15] Thy almighty Word leapt down from Heaven from Thy Royal Throne, as a fierce conqueror into the midst of the land of destruction."
Now, away from the Jewish Triune God - Hear Allah from the Quran.......
Quran, 5:73, “They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.”
Surah 4:171, "O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs."
NOT THE SAME TYPE OF LORD AT ALL!!!!! As Pope St Pius X said they believe in ONE god, but it is NOT Our Triune Lord
St Augustine told us that it was the Holy Trinity who appeared before Abraham. This is not being taught by the Roman Catholic Church any longer, but the Born Again Christians have been studying it and are becoming Trinitarians! The Orthodox adhere to the ancient belief.
THE WORD"
youtube.com/watch?v=Fa4dVrOA1qc
youtube.com/watch?v=LQrkjw19sg8
oneinmessiah.net/TargumMemraTheWordOfGod.htm
web.archive.orglayevangelism.com/qreference/chapter10e.htm
bible.ca/…trinity-texts-genesis19-24.htm
forananswer.org/Top_Uni/ECF_Jn1_1.htm
doxa.ws/Trinity/More_memra.html
biblestudyplanet.com/…-trinity-in-the-old-testament/
scripturetruths5.tripod.com/trin.html
godandscience.org/apologetics/triunity.html
juchre.org/articles/word.htm
juchre.org/targums/comp/gen01.htm
dssenglishbible.com/isaiah 53.htm
To set the record straight..... The REAL God, the Triune God has spoken throughout the Hebrew Scriptures (Our Old Testament known by Jews as The Tanakh) Numerous examples of Christ, who is known into ancient Judaism as "The Word" (They have not continued this belief) speaking throughout the entire Old Testament can be deciphered...
Many examples of Christ speaking
Isaiah 48
Come near to Me, listen to this:
From the first I have not spoken in secret,
From the time it took place, I was there.
And now the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit.”
The Gospel of John Chapter 1 tells us that Christ is the Word who pre existed His Incarnation, Whom had existed at the begining with the Father.... The person speaking in Proverbs 8 is NOT God the Father, yet He is Divine Himself and as John 1 says "Was there at the begining with the Father... Christ (The Word) speaks
Proverbs 8
The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of his ways, before He made any thing from the beginning. [23] I was set up from eternity, and of old before the earth was made. [24] The depths were not as yet, and I was already conceived. neither had the fountains of waters as yet sprung out: [25] The mountains with their huge bulk had not as yet been established: before the hills I was brought forth:
[26] He had not yet made the earth, nor the rivers, nor the poles of the world. [27] When He prepared the heavens, I was present: when with a certain law and compass He enclosed the depths: [28] When He established the sky above, and poised the fountains of waters: [29] When He compassed the sea with its bounds, and set a law to the waters that they should not pass their limits: when He balanced the foundations of the earth; [30] I was with him forming all things: and was delighted every day, playing before him at all times; [31] Playing in the world: and My delights were to be with the children of men. [32] Now therefore, ye children, hear Me: Blessed are they that keep My ways. [33] Hear instruction and be wise, and refuse it not. [34] Blessed is the man that heareth Me, and that watcheth daily at My gates, and waiteth at the posts of My doors. [35] He that shall find Me, shall find life, and shall have salvation from the Lord:
[36] But he that shall sin against Me, shall hurt his own soul. All that hate Me love death.
Isaiah 6:3 we see that the Lord of hosts is not merely holy, but "Holy, holy, holy." Again one Lord, but three times holy
.
Wisdom 18 for a clear prophecy of the Son of God's Incarnation.
"[14] For while all things were in quiet silence, and the night was in the midst of her course, [15] Thy almighty Word leapt down from Heaven from Thy Royal Throne, as a fierce conqueror into the midst of the land of destruction."
Now, away from the Jewish Triune God - Hear Allah from the Quran.......
Quran, 5:73, “They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.”
Surah 4:171, "O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs."
NOT THE SAME TYPE OF LORD AT ALL!!!!! As Pope St Pius X said they believe in ONE god, but it is NOT Our Triune Lord
St Augustine told us that it was the Holy Trinity who appeared before Abraham. This is not being taught by the Roman Catholic Church any longer, but the Born Again Christians have been studying it and are becoming Trinitarians! The Orthodox adhere to the ancient belief.
THE WORD"
youtube.com/watch?v=Fa4dVrOA1qc
youtube.com/watch?v=LQrkjw19sg8
oneinmessiah.net/TargumMemraTheWordOfGod.htm
web.archive.orglayevangelism.com/qreference/chapter10e.htm
bible.ca/…trinity-texts-genesis19-24.htm
forananswer.org/Top_Uni/ECF_Jn1_1.htm
doxa.ws/Trinity/More_memra.html
biblestudyplanet.com/…-trinity-in-the-old-testament/
scripturetruths5.tripod.com/trin.html
godandscience.org/apologetics/triunity.html
juchre.org/articles/word.htm
juchre.org/targums/comp/gen01.htm
dssenglishbible.com/isaiah 53.htm
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That’s right Caroline, Muslims are listed as INFIDELS by St. Pius X!
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Naughty.....Naughty.....knuckles soundly rapped! Pope SAINT Pius X was not saying that Muslims believe in The TRUE GOD, he was simply making a statement for posterity that they believe (THEIR) ONE GOD IS TRUE.
Not the same thing is it? 
I don't think you'll get much support launching a case against Pope SAINT Pius X for being a Modernist............so don't create a wave of panic!!
As he said.....More
Naughty.....Naughty.....knuckles soundly rapped! Pope SAINT Pius X was not saying that Muslims believe in The TRUE GOD, he was simply making a statement for posterity that they believe (THEIR) ONE GOD IS TRUE.
Not the same thing is it?
I don't think you'll get much support launching a case against Pope SAINT Pius X for being a Modernist............so don't create a wave of panic!!
As he said.....
Not the same thing is it?
I don't think you'll get much support launching a case against Pope SAINT Pius X for being a Modernist............so don't create a wave of panic!!
As he said.....
Getting it partly right may be a step in the right direction but it is not sufficient for salvation. An infidel does not believe what he must to be saved ,so he does not believe in the true God Who is Triune even though he may believe that there is one true God as opposed to many deities. Believing that God is one doesn't take you far enough.
None of these popes say that Moslems and Christians worship the same God.
Pius X only says that Moslems admit "one" God [the demon Allah]. This is not the "same God" [who is Triune].More
None of these popes say that Moslems and Christians worship the same God.
Pius X only says that Moslems admit "one" God [the demon Allah]. This is not the "same God" [who is Triune].
Pius X only says that Moslems admit "one" God [the demon Allah]. This is not the "same God" [who is Triune].
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Yes, but he added: true God.
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Pope Pius X would NOT have stated that the Muslims believed in the TRUE God. He most definitely would have made a statement for posterity that they believe (THEIR) ONE GOD IS TRUE period! He was not a fake - he professed TRUTH, that's why he was canonized!
We believe in ONE God, - but as Pope St Pius says, so do many of the heathens and THEIR ONE …More
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Pope Pius X would NOT have stated that the Muslims believed in the TRUE God. He most definitely would have made a statement for posterity that they believe (THEIR) ONE GOD IS TRUE period! He was not a fake - he professed TRUTH, that's why he was canonized!
We believe in ONE God, - but as Pope St Pius says, so do many of the heathens and THEIR ONE god is certainly not ours! We can ALL state we have ONE (earthly) Father, collectively, but he is definitely not the Father of all mankind!
There is a group in the US today called the Satanic Temple who THEMSELVES say they serve ONE LORD, and demand the right of free speech due to it. (even though satan of course ISN'T a god at all - just a fallen archangel ) so it just shows how wide off the mark mankind often IS in professing ONE Deity to be the real one.
I KNOW in error many are finding fault with Pope SAINT Pius X, but have you investigated that the source document that you have attempted to use to his detriment (a mortal sin) is translated correctly from the original Latin? It appears that many of the Vatican II documents when rendered into English were intentionally mischievously mistranslated, and inferrations made in the English Translations that were not there in the original Latin source document as composed by the Pope.
Satan appears to be seeking to bring down the stars from Heaven during this era, St Jerome's CANONISED Vulgate sneered at, as an excuse to replace it with a dubious rewrite. Pope SAINT Pius X called a fraud (which is seemingly the methodology behind this original post) there is a (demonic) re-inventing of the Saints that are called PILLARS of Our Church, and the best thing we can do is to avoid casting stones at the HOLY Saints who after all were authentically Canonized FOR THE RIGHT REASONS!!!! prior to Vatican II and who were only recently snubbed by the Modernists for being authentically Catholic.
Woe be to THEE - heathen. pagan Rome. In seeking to admonish the Saints and altering the words of what they said, you are lying! You attempt to cast down the Stars of Heaven to the Earth. In doing so you are casting your own selves down to the fiery pit of Hell. Repent!
Pope Pius X would NOT have stated that the Muslims believed in the TRUE God. He most definitely would have made a statement for posterity that they believe (THEIR) ONE GOD IS TRUE period! He was not a fake - he professed TRUTH, that's why he was canonized!
We believe in ONE God, - but as Pope St Pius says, so do many of the heathens and THEIR ONE god is certainly not ours! We can ALL state we have ONE (earthly) Father, collectively, but he is definitely not the Father of all mankind!
There is a group in the US today called the Satanic Temple who THEMSELVES say they serve ONE LORD, and demand the right of free speech due to it. (even though satan of course ISN'T a god at all - just a fallen archangel ) so it just shows how wide off the mark mankind often IS in professing ONE Deity to be the real one.
I KNOW in error many are finding fault with Pope SAINT Pius X, but have you investigated that the source document that you have attempted to use to his detriment (a mortal sin) is translated correctly from the original Latin? It appears that many of the Vatican II documents when rendered into English were intentionally mischievously mistranslated, and inferrations made in the English Translations that were not there in the original Latin source document as composed by the Pope.
Satan appears to be seeking to bring down the stars from Heaven during this era, St Jerome's CANONISED Vulgate sneered at, as an excuse to replace it with a dubious rewrite. Pope SAINT Pius X called a fraud (which is seemingly the methodology behind this original post) there is a (demonic) re-inventing of the Saints that are called PILLARS of Our Church, and the best thing we can do is to avoid casting stones at the HOLY Saints who after all were authentically Canonized FOR THE RIGHT REASONS!!!! prior to Vatican II and who were only recently snubbed by the Modernists for being authentically Catholic.
Woe be to THEE - heathen. pagan Rome. In seeking to admonish the Saints and altering the words of what they said, you are lying! You attempt to cast down the Stars of Heaven to the Earth. In doing so you are casting your own selves down to the fiery pit of Hell. Repent!